[NCNCA] Women's Races

[Casey Kerrigan]

Ok folks maybe it is time to move this discussion over to the NCNCA  
forum at http://www.ncncaracing.com/forum/ That is the more  
appropriate  location for extended discussions ( since this last  
message may open up a whole new can of worms :) )

Casey
On May 1, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Skot McDaniel wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> I'd like to follow your logic a bit farther down the road.  If it's
> simply all about show me the money, then it makes sense that promoters
> would want to fill fields, men, women, giraffes if they pay!  Given
> that, in the guns vs. butter philosophy, I don't understand why there
> isn't more attempt to offer everyone who wants to race an opportunity.
> This list has been on fire over women's racing these past few days,
> that's good.  Oddly enough, no one seems to notice the 800lb gorilla -
> namely the 35+, 45+ men.  Our races fill up weeks ahead of time with
> most promoters having waiting lists for these men, yes I said the
> dreaded word men!  There's even been suggestions to open some
> clydesdale races, albeit tongue in cheek.  But is not seriously
> considering this option helping anyone, especially the women?  In a
> strictly numbers game, full fields equal a successful race.  The more
> fields you fill, the easier it is to run a couple fields less than
> full.  Lets face it, were it not for the popularity of the sport with
> MEN, there wouldn't be road racing, not for the men, not for the
> juniors, not for the women.  So accommodate more men's fields, which
> are more likely to fill up, and it won't matter if the women don't  
> fill
> their fields.  The promoter will make more money, more people who want
> to race will get the chance, everyone wins!
>
> Or, maybe not,
> Skot McDaniel - Self Appointed President: Clydesdale Faction
>
>
> --- izoard at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Promoters would MUCH rather have pre-entry numbers instead of a
>> surprise day-of-event rush - And that's primarily when poor pre-race
>> weather conditions can affect events. Pre-registration enables
>> organizers to plan and if a promoter ain't got no plan - best advice,
>> brothers and sisters, is to RUN!?
>>
>> If expensive-to-operate events like Cat's Hill and Burlingame and
>> Giro and Carrera have poor pre-reg. numbers they still have very
>> significant?expenses that cannot necessarily be reduced or eliminated
>> on race day if small fields enter day-of-event. Police services,
>> medical, porta-potties, permit fees, officials, prizes - they don;t
>> necessarily get reduced if the week prior it's raining and
>> competitors choose to stay home on race day.?Your overall budget is
>> predicated significantly on entry fee revenue, among other sources?-
>> and if you can;t get a firm estimate on minimum numbers of
>> competitors, my Grandpa used to say, "You don;t need to go to Reno to
>> gamble". ?
>>
>> Organizers want to be able to?provide staff and services?according to
>> expected numbers. When the Golden Gate Bridge had it's 50th
>> anniversary they opened the bridge to pedestrians for just the 2nd
>> time in history. They had no way of predicting how many would show -
>> and then they had the phenomena of the GG Bridge flattening in the
>> center due to the enormously unexpected weight of the gazillions of
>> people who decided they would be part of history.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Simpson
>> Pilarcitos Cyclesports
>> 732 Fairfield Road
>> Burlingame, CA 94010
>> www.pilarcitos.com
>> info at pilarcitos.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Warren Geissert <warren at usvh.com>
>> To: ncnca at ncnca.org
>> Sent: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:19 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Women's Races
>>
>>
>>
>> A promoter won't choose to include, or not include a racing group
>> next year
>> based on pre-reg numbers. It's based on the number of riders who are
>> registered before the race starts. If a relatively high percentage of
>> riders
>> in a group register for a criterium or road race on race-day instead
>> of
>> pre-registering they pay more in entry fees, and that's better for
>> the race
>> organizer.
>>
>> -Warren Geissert
>>
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