[NCNCA] Women's Races

[Jason K]

Exactly what we've done with our mixed age junior groups at the state
championship we run....  Makes it easy for everyone to tell....

Wish more promoters would do that too for any race that's picked
seperately...



-----Original Message-----
From: ncnca-bounces+jason.k=comcast.net at ncnca.org
[mailto:ncnca-bounces+jason.k=comcast.net at ncnca.org] On Behalf Of Casey
Kerrigan
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:17 PM
To: Jim Volsansky
Cc: NCNCA
Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Women's Races


I think a better approach is to do this. If the combined 3/4 race will  
be using the 100 number series then give the Cat 4 riders numbers  
starting with 100 and go up and the Cat 3 riders with numbers 199 and  
come down. This way you can tell riders and officials that anyone with  
a number of say 160 or higher is a Cat 3 and anyone with a number of  
140 or less is a Cat 4. Makes things easier to sort out the results in  
the end.

Casey
On Apr 30, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Jim Volsansky wrote:

> All,
> A somewhat silver lining we are going to attempt colorcoding mixed
> fields It'll be a colored stripe on the race number. This way if you  
> see a 3 go up the road and you're a 4 you don't have to chase it.
>
> Casey, are we OK in doing this?
>
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Casey Kerrigan <casey at caseykerrigan.com>
> To: NCNCA <ncnca at ncnca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:44:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Women's Races
>
> Sorry folks but I think starting fields separately is generally not 
> the solution to this type of problem. You aren't suppose to have two 
> groups on a crit course at once if there is a good chance that one 
> field can catch the other. Starting the two fields separately means 
> that they aren't suppose to mix if the two groups catch. As an 
> official I've seen to many messes when two fields, started separately,

> catch then then spend most of the rest of the race mixing up together.

> Or one or more riders attack just as one group is being caught and 
> then  use the faster group to stay away from the group that was caught

> ( or at least that is the complaint from the riders in the group that 
> was caught and they never catch the break.
>
> There are also safety issues like one group sprinting into the back of

> another group on the finish or if you have a major crash in one group 
> ( with a rider seriously injured in the middle of the racing line) 
> with a second group quickly approaching. With only one group on the 
> course race staff has more time to get to the injured rider and more 
> time to set up marshals to wave riders around the injured rider.
>
> Casey
> On Apr 30, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Ron Castia wrote:
>
>> The solution is quite simple.
>> Show the promoters that the market is there and we will accommodate 
>> the demand.
>>
>> While picking the 3/4s separately may not be a perfect solution for 
>> the Women, it is a step in the right direction and a compromise. The 
>> alternative is running the fields together and not picking
>> separately.
>>
>> Taking Rick's suggestion about staggered starts is an option worth 
>> weighing on race day. It will mostly be up to the refs and the field.
>>
>> Maybe most have not really looked at our race yet, but the Women 3s 
>> have two opportunities to race, with an engineered break in between.
>>
>> Advice given to me on unrelated topics, it might make sense for folks

>> take a step back and count the blessings rather than curse
>> them.
>>
>> Show the promoters you appreciate the efforts by pre-registering, 
>> then send us suggestions on how you would like to see things
>> improved.
>> Your suggestions carry more weight when they are backed by dollars
>> bills.
>>
>> Complaining about something that is speculative for the promoter in 
>> the first place is a great insurance policy for there being no 
>> speculation the next year. The path becomes extremely clear.
>>
>> You Savvy?
>>
>> Ron
>> (I guess I just lost my diplomacy award)
>
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