[NCNCA] Women's Races

Wed Apr 30 12:03:14 PDT 2008

So Rick, you're saying divide the field of 11 and give each half their 
own race? What's next? Each individual gets their own race? Oh, wait, we 
already have that. It's called a TIME TRIAL.

Mass start bike racing is a dangerous sport, no matter what race you 
enter or what precautions you take. Just ask some of the women from the 
P-123 race at the Wente Crit last weekend. Or ask me, I'd be happy to 
send pictures of some of my crashes/injuries. Question for everybody: 
Maybe some courses are just not for beginners? 
<http://www.54x11.com/photos/FacePlant/pages/faceplant-024hrs-sm.htm>

You just can't please everybody. People should be very friggin' happy to 
get to race on such a great course as the Cat's Hill course AT ALL! 
Thank you Barry and LGBRC!

I know I shouldn't get so wound up about this, but I have been hearing 
the same story for 25 years and it never changes!

Go ahead, flame me.

Cap'n Nim

Rick Warner wrote:
> One other aspect is both Cats Hill and EBC have combined 3/4 fields for the
> women.  A lot of the W4's I know hate it because the 3's run the race and
> they do not get a good experience, and a lot of the 3's I've talked to are
> happier without racing with some of the novices in the 4's for safety
> reasons.  I know women in both fields who tend to avoid the combined field
> races.  Some will relent in the end, but others will stay home or on the
> sidelines.
>
> - rick
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Ron Castia <zronn at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> OK, how about we stop taking everything the wrong way here?
>> It's not a slap at all, as matter of fact it could be seen as exactly the
>> opposite.
>>
>> If you did pre-register, thank you for being one of the few to show us
>> early that we won't have an empty course and for setting a good example.
>> Hold your head proud that you are setting a good example.
>>
>> Gordon and I are just saying, show us that our efforts to acknowledge your
>> needs will be returned in kind by a little pre-reg.
>> It let's a promoter have some idea of what to expect day of.
>>
>> There is a balance that needs to exist, it can't be a 1 way street.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ron (who will be hand picking the purple skittles out just for Eli)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: "Morgan, Cathy L." <cathy.morgan at pillsburylaw.com>
>> To: Ron Castia <zronn at sbcglobal.net>; NCNCA <ncnca at ncnca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:03:50 AM
>> Subject: RE: [NCNCA] Women's Races
>>
>> Nice slap to those of us who have already registered. Just sayin'.
>> clm
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ncnca-bounces+cathy.morgan=pillsburylaw.com at ncnca.org
>> [mailto:ncnca-bounces+cathy.morgan <ncnca-bounces%2Bcathy.morgan>=
>> pillsburylaw.com at ncnca.org] On Behalf
>> Of Ron Castia
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:02 AM
>> To: NCNCA
>> Subject: Re: [NCNCA] Women's Races
>>
>> It's not just Cat's Hill.
>> At the EBC  Criterium we are doing a 40% cash payback 10 deep for the
>> Pro 1/2/3 Women and have no entries, none, zero, zip. What's up with
>> that/
>>
>> We really wanted to support Women this year and offered 3 fields. We
>> have a total of 10 Women registered.
>>
>> If you are going to be the loudest to complain, it's a good idea to show
>> some love when your voice is acknowledged.
>> Right now, we are not seeing it and the Women's fields are hinting that
>> they may be just a big waste of our schedule time.
>> We could have easily just run more masters 4s and 3s and made some bank,
>> or gone home early.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: "Gordon, Barry" <Bgordon at Structint.com>
>> To: NCNCA <ncnca at ncnca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:59:27 AM
>> Subject: [NCNCA] Cat's Hill Women's Races
>>
>> NCNCA,
>>
>> Last year the LGBRC made the bad decision to replace the Women's 3/4
>> race with Master 45 race and the cycling community let us know in no
>> uncertain terms that we made a BIG mistake.  Therefore, we reinstated
>> the women's 3/4 race plus increased the cash prize list for the women's
>> 1/2/3 race from $600/6 places to $1000/10 places in 2008.  So what is
>> the response to our return to sanity?  We currently have 11 women
>> pre-registered for each race.  (As it stands now only one 1/2/3 woman
>> will place out of the money.)
>>
>> Lots of people last year complained about our dumb decision and we
>> listened to you.  In return, we hope that the cycling community would
>> have a change of heart and would support our women's races this
>> Saturday.
>>
>> On-line registration: www.catshill.org
>>
>> Thank you for your consideration.
>>
>> Barry Gordon, President
>> Los Gatos Bicycle Racing Club
>> Team Easton/SugarCRM/Specialized
>> A USA Cycling Club of the Year
>> www.lgbrc.org
>> 408-978-8200
>> bgordon at structint.com
>>
>>
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