[NCNCA] NCVA some food for thought

Tue Nov 7 12:22:29 PST 2006

Linelle; Thanks for the response. Since you copied the 2 lists I am replying 
to you  personally and them. I think that your Wednesday-Thursday combo 
could work. Harvey Nitz also mentioned this as a possibility. Monday- 
Wednesday does not sound good to me for this reason. Saturday and Sunday are 
usually race days or heavy duty training days for most people especially 
roadies.This is when most riders get to train and  get their miles. Most 
people work during the week. I know that I have ridden upwards to 100-120 
miles on a weekend. On Monday I am usually wasted. I will be the first to 
admit that I am not a big time roadie/crit rider. I know that a pro 1-2 road 
rider can race or ride 80-100 miles on any given day. The last thing that 
they want to do is come to the track with "lead"legs to race. The bottom 
line is that even though some one did not race on the weekend it does not 
mean they haven't ridden long and hard. Thus the need for rest/recovery 
days. Mid week racing seems best to me if we are trying to attract the 
"roadies". Joe F.

>From: Linelle Northcott <linellenorthcott at yahoo.com>
>To: Sandy Levensaler <finesaler at earthlink.net>,        Hellyer Velodrome 
><ncva at googlegroups.com>
>CC: bike ncnca <ncnca at ncnca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NCNCA] NCVA some food for thought
>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:06:25 -0800 (PST)
>
>Joe,
>
>   I've suggested Monday/Wednesday's.  My thinking is if you did not race
>   the weekend it would be a good training day.  Wednesday's have been
>   a proven success.  The number of racers on Wed nights (compared
>   to lower attendance on Friday's) were what spurred the idea of two
>   week day of track racing.
>
>   Maybe the solution is only Wednesday's....however I suspect that we
>   could get decent fields for Monday or Thursday's as well.
>
>   What would everyone prefer?  Monday/Wednesday?  Wednesday/Thursday?
>
>   Cheers,
>   Linelle
>
>Sandy Levensaler <finesaler at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Recently I have been thinking about the debate over the best nights/
>days to race at Hellyer. While out riding last week I ran into Tait
>Sato and Dan Morgan. I asked them what they thought would be the
>best time for them to race at the track. Tait, who is a top 10 placer
>in many of the NRC elite races, said that Thursday night would not
>work for her since it was too close to the weekend and that she would
>have a hard recovering. Dan's answer was different. He said that it
>was a "pain in the butt" to drive to Hellyer any night. Then I
>talked to Harvey Nitz and explained to him what was going on. He
>thought that if you wanted to attract "roadie/crit" riders then
>Wednesday was the best night to race. His other favorite nites for
>racing were Friday and Thursday in that order. Harvey thought that
>hard Wednesday racing would give "roadies" ample time to recover from
>and for weekend racing. These remarks got me to thinking about last
>year's racing. I decided to take a look at the attendance records for
>the 3 racing nights that were on the schedule. The results were
>interesting to say the least. The Wednesday night races averaged 41
>riders per week. Thursday night races averaged 31 riders week. Friday
>night numbers were not exact most of the time so I could not get a
>good count. Here are some points to think about. Were Thursday night
>numbers lower than Wednesday because "roadie/crit" types were voting
>with wheels or lack of? Would it be better to have Larry"s points
>race series on Wednesday and move Rick's Wednesday night series to
>Thursday? Would we get more "roadie/crit" types and sacrifice the
>Wednesday "trackies". Is this a case that what ever races are staged
>on Wednesday will bring riders to the track? Are Wednesday numbers
>higher because Rick has a separate women's fields? Do we want to
>change a good thing.? All of these questions are food thought? Some
>other thoughts. It seems to me that racing at the track is a South
>and Central Bay "thing". Most if not all of the BOD members live in
>these 2 areas and probably never experienced the commuting from
>Oakland/ Berkeley, Marin or Sacramento. A 15/30 minute drive in the
>car is much easier than 1:15 or 2 1/2 hours. From personal
>experience I can tell you that driving to Hellyer alone is not a lot
>of fun. The point that I am trying to make here is that maybe there
>is no best night to draw roadies to the track and that there are
>other factors at work. Like work the next day, rush hour traffic, and
>the most precious commodity of all. TIME!!. This post is not meant to
>point fingers at any one. Its purpose is to stimulate further
>discussion. Thanks for reading. Joe Fineman
>
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